Ralph Rickenbach

Accompanyist, Pastor in Exile, Iconoclast
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I am a Gallup certified CliftonStrengths coach and Spiral Dynamics senior practitioner.
I find it interesting to think about the view early value memes have for a modern technology. Obviously, beige, purple, red and blue have existed way before the splitting of atoms.

Thus, we are talking about people that live today and have their center of gravity in those early value memes.

Most people in beige will not care, true. I would love to think a bit about purple. 

Pure purple would not understand nuclear power and see it as magic, whether positive or negative would somewhat depend on how they experience it.

Purple as with most hippies - in a pre-trans-confusion, thinking they are green - the view would be negative, but not because of god, as purple does not know a monotheistic god yet. It would be more like "the spirits". The sentence as it stand for purple could easily be blue.

From red upward, I can easily agree, with the addition for blue, depending on the blue instantiation.
Maybe it's too early for the reference and especially the image considering the recent and ongoing history in the US. But I thought this might be healing as well.

OK. I believe that there are many things interconnected that keep the church back from relevance and greatness, but first I would love to talk about greatness itself.

Greatness is not numbers or size, impact or prosperity. The church in my eyes is great if it is successful in reflecting the Father to all those that are not aware that they are children of God.

As most here will be aware, being a child of God is not linked with the obedience to some rules, attendance of some meetings, or repentance. It is a mere fact that we are children of God, some aware with all the benefits that brings, and some unaware. And yes, knowing one's father surely has benefits as it instills identity. Especially with this father!

But who is this father?

For too long we have seen him as somebody sitting on a throne in heaven, which in our imagination included very long distances. In a universe with the heart at its center, this distance grew over the centuries, the more we learned about the universe. This worldview and model of God is what got Yuri Gagarin to exclaim: "I see no God up here". (Though the authenticity of that exclamation is doubted, it makes for a good illustration.)

If God is out there, we are prone to install some people that actually know about out there more than we do, because most cannot imagine what it would be like. The old testament hat the Levitical priesthood, Platon had the aristocrats, and Rome had its caesars. Placing God outside myself opens the doors for an anointed priesthood.

Such a priesthood of special offices opens the door for ex-cathedra teaching, pew-warming members that at most can help to bring the leaders vision to fruition.

It instills in the members the belief that the prayers and the authority of these offices are more powerful and that they have to submit. This in turn opens the door to dependencies.

Having God out there, and knowing intellectually that he will be in the midst of two or three gathering will call for meetings of the saints.

All this has its time. Children around school age have to learn to submit to social contracts and authorities. They learn this to develop their capacities. One of these capacities is to function within groups that are not connected by blood, but common interests. We learn to fit in, adapt, submit, obey, and bring ourselves into a group without manipulating or overpowering the other. (At least in theory.)

In the time of the bible, this was necessary as well. It was necessary to establish the notion of one God in the first place, coming from familiar spirits to a multitude of gods out there.

In the new testament, Jesus showed us that God is not out there, but in us. We in him, and he in us. We know that intellectually. Coming to believe that truth will change everything.

It will empower each and everybody, which renders priesthood, pastoral prayer and care, and meetings unnecessary. Not that we should abandon the functions, just the hierarchy and the false identification of office=authority.

With everybody being empowered, and everybody being gifted in various ways, we will find natural situational and temporal hierarchies, where whosoever is best equipped for a situation takes the lead and steps down when the task is done.

In the future, we will see all kinds of groups, from tribal house churches to traditional churches to businesses and scientific endeavors to NGOs and non profit organizations and global networks that meet the people where they are and bring them an age-appropriate gospel according to their developmental maturity.

And the gospel will be this: you are a child of God no matter what. Why not start living accordingly?
We have arrived. The move is over. A few things still have to be done, like installing light fixtures in two rooms and selling second hand stuff on the market (my wife loves that, it speaks to her purple).

It is interesting how this move set us free. It's like a restart, just as the world slowly restarts from CoViD-19. Is everything over? By no means. But we now have the ability to look forward.
As you can see with the interior, this house is a good example for "transcend and include". 😄

I am in the midst of redefining my understanding and relationship of nature.  Intellectually, I value all of these positions, and would position myself at about 7 or 8 - which would include all the others.

I have a hard time though believing that I truly believe because I can't stand getting dirty (-> no gardening).

So I feel like: Yes, we are all part of one natural whole, it is life and purpose, but please, I don't want to touch it.
 Rhys Photis , ours date back to the 16th century, with parts of the surrounding building actually being built in the 13th century. Yes, there is some purple traditional craftsmanship, but it is included.😀
I would add skills (what are specific skills for people in that level), speech, belief statements/spells/formulas.

Maybe even weaponry.

In addition, how about some stats to compare the characters: Associated Charisma, Endurance, Perception, Strenght, Agility, ...

I would certainly agree to the degree that I know the religions and traditions. I would add that the church as an organisation is different from the people within, and that there are many places where for example the Catholic church is much more purple.

Within the Non-Denominational and Pentecostal streams of Christianity, I would say that there is a great bandwidth, some of them being very red-blue. Just think about the 30k denominations and thousands of non-denominational churches in the US alone. (Most of it is about being right and defending it to the blood.)

What is clear to me: religion needs blue to emerge, and Folk Hinduism probably exists in a kind of pre-trans-fallacy playing off of other streams of Hinduism.

What I really like is that your friend rightly categorised Buddhism as part of Atheism, and Atheism as a religion.